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		<title>Just bought a suppressor</title>
		<link>http://preparingutah.com/2008/11/just-bought-a-suppressor/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Personal Defense]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[.308]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes!  Just sent in my order for a .308 suppressor.  I figured I needed some consolation after the election results yesterday.  Granted, I didn&#8217;t really want McCain to win, but with Obama I&#8217;m pretty  sure gun owners are royally screwed.  Oh well, I&#8217;ll just have to have fun while it lasts&#8230;
I&#8217;ve been looking at getting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!  Just sent in my order for a .308 suppressor.  I figured I needed some consolation after the election results yesterday.  Granted, I didn&#8217;t really want McCain to win, but with Obama I&#8217;m <em>pretty</em>  sure gun owners are royally screwed.  Oh well, I&#8217;ll just have to have fun while it lasts&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at getting a suppressor (aka silencer) for a while but never wanted to go through the hassle.  I think there was a part of me that didn&#8217;t want the stigma a lot of people assign to something like that either.  That is, until I realized I don&#8217;t really agree with those notions in the first place, especially considering much of it is based on nothing more than what they&#8217;ve seen portrayed in the movies.  So tough! <img src='http://preparingutah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>After doing copious amounts of research (by proxy through my coworker anyway <img src='http://preparingutah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) I&#8217;ve narrowed my choices down to two:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.yhm.net/store/phantom762.html" target="_blank">YHM (Yankee Hill Machine) Phantom 7.62 suppressor</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sas-llc.us/product1.php" target="_blank">SAS (Suppressed Armament Systems) Arbiter 7.62 suppressor</a></li>
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<p>From everything I&#8217;ve been able to tell, either one would be a good fit for me and would actually cost about the same with the options I want (quick-detach flash hider).  After considering everything, I opted for the SAS.  The primary reason is I feel it might be <em>slightly</em> better performing than the Yankee Hill.  The only downside is the unknown quality of on-going support from SAS as they are a much younger and smaller company.  This can go both ways and I can only hope it stays top notch.  The price breakdown for this is going to be something like:</p>
<p style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">$575.00 - SAS 7.62 suppressor<br />
$75.00 &#8211; .308 quick-detach flash hider<br />
$75.00 &#8211; .223 quick-detach flash hider (for my AR-15&#8217;s)<br />
$50.00 &#8211; FFL transfer cost<br />
$200.00 &#8211; IRS TAX.  Yeah, you&#8217;ve got to pay for a TAX STAMP, how backwards is that?</p>
<p>Total cost should be about $1,000.  More than I&#8217;d like to pay but I&#8217;ve decided to &#8220;just do it&#8221;.  At least I&#8217;m just getting the .308 can right from the start.  All reports suggest they will work fine on the smaller .223 round and this will make it so I don&#8217;t feel the need to get a .223 AND .308 suppressor.</p>
<p>Firearms are complicated enough to purchase already, especially when dealing with shipping across state lines, items like fully automatic weapons (machine guns) or suppressors are even <em>more</em> convoluted and complex.  If everything goes according to plan, it should go something like this:</p>
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<li>Place order for suppressor. (DONE)</li>
<li>Send copy of FFL license to manufacturer.  They will verify the validity of the license.</li>
<li>Pay for the suppressor.</li>
<li>Manufacturer submits paperwork to BATFE for permission to do a dealer-to-dealer transfer.</li>
<li>7-21 days (if all goes well) later, BAFTE approves the request and SAS ships suppressor to FFL.</li>
<li>Once FFL receives the suppressor, I am able to submit my own paperwork to BATFE for the tax stamp.</li>
<li>3-9 months (if all goes well) later, BATFE approves the transfer and I can go pick up the suppressor from my FFL.</li>
<li>Enjoy.</li>
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<p>At least that&#8217;s my current understanding.  Once the initial steps are taken care of, my FFL will help me with my part since they specialize in dealing with the ATF whereas I don&#8217;t!  I don&#8217;t plan on actually getting the thing until the middle of next year.  Who knows though, maybe I&#8217;ll get lucky and it will be by March!  Heh, <em>yeah</em>.</p>
<p>Finally, here are a few Youtube videos of the SAS in action&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://preparingutah.com/2008/11/just-bought-a-suppressor/"><em>Click here to view the embedded video.</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The audio is kinda messed up on the video above, but it gives you <em>some</em> idea&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://preparingutah.com/2008/11/just-bought-a-suppressor/"><em>Click here to view the embedded video.</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Needless to say, I can&#8217;t wait! <img src='http://preparingutah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Police gun seizures</title>
		<link>http://preparingutah.com/2008/05/police-gun-seizures/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Personal Defense]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[confiscation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[firearms]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[gun control]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I think the people of other countries should be able to choose how they are governed and what rules they live by, I still can&#8217;t help but comment when I see what I rationalize as pure insanity.  Apparently, the police in Jamaica have been confiscating licensed gun owners&#8217; firearms.  To make matters worse, in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think the people of other countries should be able to choose how they are governed and what rules they live by, I still can&#8217;t help but comment when I see what I rationalize as pure insanity.  Apparently, the police in Jamaica have been <a href="http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080510/lead/lead4.html" target="_blank">confiscating licensed gun owners&#8217; firearms.</a>  To make matters worse, in many cases no receipts are given so the owner has no proof that the police have it.</p>
<p>What is possibly more chilling however, is a statement made by Senator Dwight Nelson:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In these times, we must give the police the latitude to act in a situation where they think that there is a threat.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m very proud to live in a state where we passed <a href="http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/sbillenr/sb0157.htm" target="_blank">specific legislation</a> to prevent this kind of abuse from taking place, even under extraordinary circumstances.  I honestly don&#8217;t know how I would react in an emergent situation if someone came to confiscate my firearms.  In one view, it&#8217;s not as though they are <em>literally</em> trying to take my life.  At the same time however, by disarming me they <em>are </em>taking away my ability to effectively defend myself in a bad situation (that is only more likely to occur after a natural disaster or other emergency).  It&#8217;s one of those moral assessments that each individual needs to evaluate.</p>
<p>The argument could be made that of course the police should be allowed to confiscate items, whether firearms or otherwise, in emergency situations, <em>especially</em> when they &#8220;believe there is a threat&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve heard this many times before.  All you have to do is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4" target="_blank">look at something like Katrina</a> <span>(<a href="http://www.gunowners.org/no02.htm" target="_blank">another story</a>)</span> to realize that in dire situations, law enforcement <em>tends</em> to start looking at everyone as potential threats.  In fact, the legislation passed in Utah to prevent this kind of abuse was coined &#8220;the Katrina bill.&#8221;  Rather appropriate if you ask me. </p>
<p>Their definition of what a &#8220;threat&#8221; entails is left to the police or prosecutor&#8217;s interpretation and assessment.  I&#8217;m never a fan of laws that leave things open to interpretation.  I believe part of &#8220;equal protection under the law&#8221; is subverted when the same act can be interpreted in different ways, one being okay and the other a crime; all based on if the officer/attorney is having a bad day or not.</p>
<p>It happened in Katrina, it&#8217;s happening in Jamaica and all over the world.  Be watchful.</p>
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